Camo vote / discussion

[Medex]

As a a member of the camo committee, I'd like to get an idea of where every bodies opinion is on whether we should switch over to multi-cam as our primary uniform. The reason for multi-cam being considered for our primary camo is because of it's effectiveness in multiple settings, is not in active service with the military, and most of the good teams use it (these reasons were covered in the last meeting). I would like as many people as possible that are on the team to vote on and discuss this.

Multi-cam ACU-pattern combat jacket, for those unfamiliar with the camo pattern:


Link to gallery of multi-cam in different settings: www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm

[jt]

I feel that we should switch to some other camo then multi cam or woodland like digital tiger stripe

www.hyperstealth.com/tigerpat/Tigerpat.gif
www.captaindaves.com/shop/media/BDU-R7990.jpg

or tiger stripe BDU

www.nexternal.com/armynavy/images/BDU-shorts-tiger-stripe1.gif
www.nexternal.com/armynavy/images/Vietnam-TigerStripe-Trouser1.gif

but if nobody wants to switch to tiger stripe then i want to stay with woodland

[Medex]

Tiger stripe has it's uses, but I am not sure as to how effective it will be here in Michigan. Also, how easy is it to get it? There's that to consider too.

[pung]

Multicam is a good looking pattern and not in use by any military organization that I know of. This pattern was a mark of the "elite" in the airsoft community for a while. The problem is that now a lot of teams are getting it to get that elite look. Talk to the members of SFOD, since they started wearing it several other teams have followed suit. If your intention is to switch to multicam to stick out, I'm afraid that will not happen. If we go over to multicam now we will look like any one of those other teams following the leader to look cool. We are better than that. I'm voting NO on this issue because I don't believe that we have to dress pretty to stick out, our performance will say more than any uniform could ever.

We still have team members struggling to pay for the important stuff, like dependable weapons, eye protection, extra batteries, etc. not to mention paying for the registration and other expenses linked to going on these ops we have planned this summer. Our current uniform loadout is sufficient for now, especially with the new patches and team shirts. People will know who we are on the field. we don't need a new uniform. Besides some ops such as the upcomeing Breedland op don't even allow multicam because it is to easy to confuse with woodland or desert.

[warfox]

I think it would be nice to have mult-cam for our main uniform, simply because it blends in better then woodland. Then again, so do the ABU's, and JT..they are digital tiger striped, check them out.

www.propperdirect.com/images/products/Propper/ABU%20MENS%20COAT--L.JPG

It is however used by the airforce (airmen battle uniform). Personally I dont care if a military use's it, I think thats crap..the only things we should be looking for is, how readily available it is, how well does it work, and how easy it is to get the accessories that match like plate carriers, and other MOLLE gear.

On another note, Black water uses Multi-cam for their basic equipment camo such as back packs, and pants. They are slowly moving into the multi-cam phase, and the army is hinting towards it as well, but I highly doubt the Army is going to be switching over any time soon, although it wouldn't surprise me.

[jt]

well the digi tiger stripe is pretty easy to get they have it at M&R surplus

[warfox]

ABU's*


>.<

[pung]

Crap warfox? go to hell man, until you serve, you don't say crap, it's nice to play G.I. Joe once in a while but I will not condone using a uniform that men and women have to work so hard to EARN. we have service men willing to lay down their lives to wear a uniform and it doesn't need to be played with by a bunch of children who spend too much time in front of a video game screen or shooting plastic BB's at each other to understand what real sacrifice means. you want to wear Marpat, ACU's or ABU's then enlist and show us that you are actually good enough to do some of the crap your so called "training" has prepared you for. Grow the hell up!

[gifted]

I second everything that Pung has said, I absolutely refuse to let the uniform of any of the Armed Forces be mocked of. I have personally worked too hard to earn my uniform and had to many friends die in that uniform that I proudly wear. When I see people wear and mock the uniform that people are dieing for you might as well stand in front of me and light the American flag on fire. It is a mockery and an insult. If you want to wear the uniform, then earn it. Until then we stick with uniforms that are not in use by our Armed Forces. If you don't like it....I frankly don't care.

[warfox]

Thats odd, I thought it was the characteristics that made the man, not the clothes that are put on him.. I talked to a wounded vet that was in the 82nd airborne rangers about this a while ago, and he brought up a good point, he said "I could give a shit less if people wear the same type of uniforms we were, that still doesn't make them a ranger." It is simply stupidity to bann a camo pattern that WORKS because your affraid of disrespecting the military. It's not the damn unirom that makes the military what it is, its the honor.

And as far as a mockery of the military, look around you Pung, most of the games we play in airsoft, we are playing the roles of the U.S. Army, or Marines, or U.N. Your whole argument is just insane. I dont understand why you even play airsoft when you speak so lowly of it. We are all out there just trying to have fun and be our best at it, and in order to be our best we need every edge we can get..that includes blending in better.

[Medex]

Please, I would prefer that this thread not turn into a yelling match. Pung and Aaron's arguments are valid, and were taken into consideration at the last meeting. If I remember correctly, the team voted not to use active military camouflage. However, Warfox's comment that it's the man, not the uniform, is also valid. But when the uniform represents the man, that's were the line has to be drawn, in my opinion. For now, though, I would appreciate it if the discussion is mainly kept between multi-cam vs. woodland.

[pung]

of course you don't understand Warfox. you have no idea what it's like to work so hard for something then see others pretending to have earned it, your airborne friend is one of a very small minority, come with me to a meeting of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, or the Disabled American Vets. and see what they think of it. hell, I earned the uniforms, I wore those uniforms in combat, I sacrificed more serving this country than you will ever know and I don't wear them anymore because I'm out of shape and to wear them in my shape would be disrespectful. you want an advantage? then learn to play better, you want to wear the uniform of a modern military serviceman, then join the military, it's as simple as that.

[jt]

Warfox I love Marpat and own a set but when i found out that pung thought it was disrespectful I stopped wearing it because yes it is just a uniform, but if a veteran says that its disrespectful then i wont wear it because i have the highest respect for members of the armed services because they have made sacrifices that i am not sure if i could make so i am with the vets on this one if you haven't earned it don't wear it.

[snowolf]

Well, here is the thing i have marpat, and thats what im useing till i get multi cam, then im switching to multi-cam, which i dont beleave is an active camo patern therfore, there should be no problem. unfortunatly untill i get the multi-cam im gonna be offencsive to you pung and gifted, i do apologise for that, but im not changeing what i beleave because of a camo argument, i understand your feelings but at the same time you tell warfox to grow up but look at what we are argueing about? personaly i dont beleave the camo is what a soldier should take pride in, cause camoflague comes and goes, its only a matter of time before that camo (unifore as you put) is out dated and replaced with somthing better.... so in my opinion stop looking at the colors of the uniform and look at whats on it, look at the american flag thats on it, the patchs of your platoon or squad, your units emblem, those are the things a soldier fights so hard to earn, and i do promise those are the things i will not wear on my bdus, but the camo style itself? like i said its just the color of the clothing, and will one day just like woodland be replaced, but the emblems of your units, the american flag, those will never be replaced...this is what i beleave and will continue to beleave this way, and i will extend my apologise to you pung and gifted again if you find them offensive... and sorry if you get offended when i show up at training in marpat, but untill i get multicam, im gonna use what i got, that works best, besides my woodland has wholes in it anyway, now lets stop the argument, there is no point to it, why start to hate each other over somthing like this? i just dont see the point

[pung]

I haven't complained about people wearing marpat or ACU's during training, warfox wore his a couple of times and I didn't say a thing. you are an individual and I have no more control over what you do than anyone else, but this discussion is concerning the TEAM uniform, that is what everyone is wearing on task force iris during the ops, I will not wear the uniform of an active service that I am not a member of, I have too much pride in myself and too much respect for the other branches to do that. therefore when it comes to voting on what this team will wear you can bet I will voice my opinion. As I said I see the switch to multicam to be a pointless waste of money that several members of this team will have problems meeting however I have no problem with the pattern itself if that is what is chosen.