Camo vote / discussion

[gifted]

Warfox I still do not like the fact of wearing the uniform but you have made a good point. So here is the deal and I am not only speaking to Warfox but to all of Iris. If you must wear the uniforms that resemble the military's uniforms, so be it. The first time that I see a patch you did not earn (American flag excluded...I believe we are all Americans here) I will personally ask you to remove it or I will remove it by whatever means necessary. I apologize for getting heated, but with reading your introduction Warfox you come across as a thingyy, immature kid who has to get his way on everything. I don't feel that you are, but that is what comes across to me when I read it.

As for the Multi-Cam issue. One, I feel that in my limited exposure to the group we as a whole do not have the money for every one to buy them. Two, I think they would be a waste of money because as we are going to bigger ops, who knows if we will even be able to wear them. Breedland strictly will not allow it, we might not be able to wear them. That will mean that the only time we can wear them will be during training (which you can wear practically any uniform you want) or smaller ops. And three, if you guys want to switch because not everyone has it, that is not true anymore so I hear and they are hard to distinguish if they belong on the Woodland or the Dessert team. My opinions only, do with them what you will.

[snowolf]

Alright, the patch thing was my point, just so you dont think warfox was continueing on despite all your arguements, and you wont have to worry about the patch thing, cause like i said i wont wear any patch i did not earn (unless its like a skull or somthing from a site, i meen come on those patchs dont meen anything lol) only the iris patch, and proboley my code name, other then that i think the issue of this arguement is resolved. and the abouve terms are fair, no military patchs, now we can all stop argueing and get along again, its better that way, i dont wanna shoot pung while he has a grudge against me, cause well i have a bold action, and well...umm he has...you know.... ~.~

[gifted]

Agreed, argument on my end is closed. No grudges or anything from me.

[jt]

good all this non sence is solved

[Medex]

I agree with not wearing the military patches as well. If you didn't earn it, don't wear it. It's the same reason a lot of the WW2 re-enactors won't wear Combat Infantry Badges, 'cause they didn't earn them. I think we can put that issue to rest now.

Edit:

It's spelled "nonsense", JT.

The more you know

[warfox]

I completely agree with the patch's.

And just to clear things up, I am a thingy.

[Guardian]

This issue was settled, next time someone wants to start a team vote consult your officer before doing it! I don't like reading about it.

[Medex]

My apologies Guardian for starting this whole thing. I did not intend for this to be a definite yes/no vote, it was more to see if there was interest in switching or not. I am sorry if this was misunderstood. It will not occur again. If you would like, I could request Tier or Snowolf to lock and/or delete the thread.

[Guardian]

please and thank you (delete)

[snowolf]

nope I'm leaving it open, because as hot wheels said, this is just a opinion thing, a vote just to see if anyone was interested in changing, we are not a communist group here, and the team is entitled to its opinions and views. I will not support having to ask your permission to see what peoples interests are.

[jt]

I am going with snowolf on this one it is just to see where every one stands on the issue as you can see its 50 50


so I think going on the event we just went to (red dawn) that a lot of people have multi cam and they aren't vary"special" so that is just one more point for not going to multi cam.

[SKI]

Let me throw my two cents into this for a second… It’s not the Camo or uniform that makes a team or a solider or police officer or anything like that…in fact that’s the last thing… Trust, Faith, Hard work, Support, and many other things make a team. We as Task Force Iris don’t need any uniforms to look cool, to say we’re cool. The fact that we are one of the best teams in Michigan is getting around, not because we are in different uniforms, but because we are a team that works hard, trains hard, and is professional in the airsoft community. We command the field because we command respect. We should not get caught up in all of these arguments. It doesn’t matter what views we have, what religion we have, or even the camo that we wear, what matter is that we honor each other and show respect toward each other.

I myself understand Pung about the uniforms, we should not mimic the current military dress uniforms. But I also understand that a lot of the games we play have us playing the role of USMC or the ARMY. It’s a story line that in my mind helps us fulfill our fantasies about being in the military for those who never joined. But we all must understand that some of us who play the game might have witness real combat, and have strong feelings toward others who say or even look like that they are apart of the military. I know that I have problems when I see someone who say they are a cop or try to be like a cop…because just like the military I trained for that right and I earned that right…Do I hate it if someone makes fun of Cops or teases me about it….DAMN Right I do…..but I just don’t voice it……but others might…and we should respect their voices, because they earned that right to be apart of that family of the Military or Police. We all have different views about several different things. I know for myself I always dressed up in military uniforms, both battle and dress uniforms, I never did it because I was trying to disrespect them at all, but because I wanted to be the Heroes that I looked up to. For me this was a way to honor them…and coming from a family that has a lot of military history I felt that it was a way to honor my family… but now that I’m not a kid anymore, I understand the importance of the uniform to the military, it’s like the badge to police officers. It connects you to that family. And to see someone wear it who is not apart of that group it would look like a sign of disrespect.

But we also must understand that camouflage is camouflage. As long As there’s no patches, indicating that you’re part of the military. The reason why I say this is because law enforcement is now making a big shift into wearing digital camouflage. I know for fact that the Southfield Police Department is wearing USMC digital camouflage for their special response unit. In my mind it’s coming to the points that camouflage just simply camouflage.

But the real big question is do we even need camouflaged for airsoft? Honestly camouflage, is there to help conceal soldiers while there advancing toward the enemy who hopefully don’t know that they’re there. In airsoft the enemy already knows that we are there because were playing a recreational game. It’s like trying to have covert cops In an airsoft game just not going to work out they know you’re coming… for airsoft camouflage is used as an intimidation aspect of the game by looking uniformed you are presenting yourself as being strong, determined, and a part of a team. But camouflage only helps in attempting to conceal a person it doesn’t take the place of strategy tactics and teamwork.

I understand that I did a lot of rambling in this post. For those of you who might have skipped to the end let me sum up what I was talking about.

Uniforms are very important not only to people who play games with them but to people who actually wore them as a part of the organization they represent. We should not wear uniforms to suggest the fact that we’re current members of the military or police. If a game or scenario calls for it (meaning wearing the camouflage of the current military pattern) then we should not have any markings to suggest that we are a part of the military or police. We should have the common sense to honor and respect those who earn the right to officially where this uniform.

I would also like to mention that we discussed the camouflage issue in the first meeting that we had. We of Task Force Iris already voted what camouflage we would wear. We also mentioned that any camouflage could be utilized at team practices so long as they did not have any patches to suggest that they are in the military or law enforcement unless they are a member of these organizations. Ian As part of the Camo committee is doing his job like he was instructed to do. He’s keeping his eye out for possible other camo patterns nothing is set in stone until it’s been approved at an official team meeting. Ian is looking for feedback on this camo pattern. Not an argument on things that went off topic from multicam.

In closing I would like to point out again that it’s not the camouflage that makes the team. I’m sure we could win any game just battling in street clothes. We were relying on the things that count: strategy, tactics, communication, and teamwork… we must realize that we all have different views, different thoughts, and different suggestions. As long as we understand this listen to each other and work as a team then we’ll be able to all earn the right to be a part of the family and call ourselves professionally members of Task Force Iris.

[jt]

real words of wisdom there ski

[SKI]

This is the Camo that I like....the best part is that you also don't need tac gear because it's already attached to the pants and jacket

www.militarysupplyhouse.com/jacketsf8.htm

[pung]

The only problem with the new cammos is that each branch now has "their" pattern, to wear ACU's says you're Army, ABU's say Air Force, etc. the uniform now says the same thing as the patches. that's where the problem rises, Woodland was used by everybody, so wearing it didn't say you belonged to any set group. that's not the case anymore. I really don't have a problem with any color other than the 4 special patterns used by our servicemen. That's how I feel.